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This is a bit of a PSA just to let everyone know that we’ve asked that our creations no longer be posted to My Sims 3 Blog. This is something we’ve been mulling over for several months now, and have finally decided we’ve had enough of the douchebaggery that goes on in the comments over there. It’s not so much things said about our creations ([personal profile] gelydh never reads the comments on our stuff, and I only very rarely), but more about what goes on in other people’s uploads. We don’t want our creations associated with that sort of environment.


People who create CC are not slaves. We all may have very different motivations for what we do, but none of us owe anything to downloaders. Quite frankly, we're disgusted by how many (not all, but many) TS3 players treat CC creators. The amount of entitlement is beyond anything we saw for TS2. It’s one thing to expect perfection from something you’re paying for, but being nitpicky assholes about free items is appallingly rude. It’s ok to say things like ‘These are pretty nice, but they’d be even better if you added some ground shadows to them.’ The person who made the ground-shadowless thing doesn’t have to do anything to their creations, but I promise you they’ll be much more likely to take your suggestion seriously if you’re not a complete fuckwit about it.

What we've seen with the release of TS3 is no-one being safe from over-the-top criticism, regardless of whether or not they charged for their creations or gave them away for free or, as is the case with Club Crimsyn, paying half out of our own pocket for the upkeep of the site - we actually lose money and haven't cared up to this point! I'm not sure just how much longer we're willing to put up with this shit. Even at TSR we could post things and get genuine feedback without having to worry about it being torn to shreds just because someone felt like being a dick that day. We aren't in any way, shape, or form advocating paysites or TSR; it just really says something when we realize that free TS3 creators are being treated far worse than pay TS2 creators ever were.

Do the people who say shit about creations because they’re bored realize the potential consequences of what they’re doing? We’ve seen more than one creator quit because of the idiocy displayed recently. Helaene, one of our favorite creators from the very earliest days of TS2, recently stopped uploading because of trolls on her site. Quite frankly, we can’t really blame her. There’s been more than one occasion where we’ve found ourselves wondering what the point of uploading anything was because it was just being nitpicked to death, and we were used to that sort of thing from when we were paid creators on TSR.

We make custom content for TS3 because we feel like things are lacking in our own games. We think, 'We could really use some new hair textures/female clothes/rabid squirrels,' and we proceed to make said thing. If we don't like how said thing is turning out, we give up and wander off to attempt to make another thing. Eventually, we do manage to finish something, and we may or may not get a weird tickle in our brains that says 'Maybe someone else would like to have this,' and if Finished Thing isn't missing any major parts, we'll toss it on here for other people to use if they want.

This may come as a surprise, but we honestly don't care one bit if you use something we make or not. Chances are, we won't ever see your game, so we flat out won't know one way or the other. Therefore, saying something like 'If you did X to this, I'd download it' is pretty pointless. Again, constructive feedback is fine, and appreciated, but even then we won't necessarily do anything more to an item once it's finished. People are always welcome to do whatever they want to things we upload (aside from the obvious no paysites thing, and no claiming you did something we did), so feel free to have at it. You can do X to thing Y til your eyes bleed if it'll make you happy.

We’re always glad when people appreciate the things we upload, and a simple 'thanks' goes a very long way in making us want to continue sharing stuff. This may sound like it contradicts the above paragraph, but even though we don't care if you don't download something we make, it's still nice to know when it's appreciated.


In closing, I was just shown this Dilbert, which seems fitting, so I now share it with you:


(Note the date. You’re not doing anything even remotely new or original.)

I realize how pointless this all is, but damn it, I’m posting it anyway even though I know it won’t change a damned thing. I’m OK with that. Because fuck you, that’s why.

LadyEmillye

Date: 2011-02-28 08:48 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ladyemillye
Hi,

I'm a big fan of the CC posted here, and stop in every now and then to see what new goodies there are.

I'd just like to say, I completely agree. The MS3B anons are atrocious in their manners and the way they speak to others. I had gotten into learning how to make CC myself, and am slowly learning more and growing as a CC creator. I do requests for those on the EA forums with what limited experience I have.

I had also asked to be included on MS3B, no harm in asking right. Well I never did get a reply, but that didn't stop me from starting and continuing my own site to house my creations.

My friend Vidkid21 on the otherhand, was added to MS3B, and had faced rude comments from the anons. It was getting to be too much, and she wanted to quit.

A mutual friend of ours started her own listing site, but it was hard getting it off the ground. So it was deleted. Joe had posted one of Vid's creations without her asking, and it was met with more rude comments from anons.

After that, I had stated on my main site's blog that I would be boycotting MS3B, because as a creator and a human being, no one should put their heart into something only for it to be continiously ripped apart by people who hide behind anonymoity.

And so Vid, who was equally disgusted, started her own listing site, and I help when I can. (This isn't meant to be a plug at all, I simply want to share this story) TS3 CC Gallery was born, It's a place for Creators to share their works in a positive setting with no anons, just good honest feedback.

Vid and I do not tolerate bumnuggets, nor would we allow such comments on our listing site. We have been tired of MS3B for a very long time and want to offer an alternative to creators.

Vid is starting to feel depressed that while we started off on a good foot, we are losing out. MS3B is a giant, and I am encouraging her that even if we hit rough patches, TS3 CC Gallery is a great idea and an alternative for CC Creators to have their CC/Mods/Sims/Lots hosted without all the BS.

If she ever gave up on it completely, I'd take it over myself, because I don't think it's fair for anyone, whether a beginner or an expert creator have their works treated little better than trash. We aren't snobby, we welcome everyone.

Anyway, I just wanted to show support and say thank you. Your creations and countless others are the reason why I wanted to learn myself.

If you ever want to check out our listing site, it's here: http://ts3ccgallery.blogspot.com/ (and again, it's not a plug, but more to say, there are better alternatives to MS3B, and it might be the wakeup call Joe needs to turn things around before he loses everyone but his anons.

LE

Re: LadyEmillye

Date: 2011-03-01 01:37 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] ladyemillye
You're welcome and yes, we did pick them up. Vid has their blogs on her blog roll, and knew of how they felt. Joe wiped out a few of them, Vid included.

It's not that I have ill feelings towards them, but the trolling does sicken me, and the fact that it is allowed to continue. It may be their blog to do with as they wish, but I can't tolerate a complete lack of disrespect, and that coupled with the fact that I choose to support my friend and those that were treated badly made me want to boycott the site entirely.

I mostly certainly hope that things change over there, in the meantime tho, I think more and more are realizing just how bad it is. When the time comes that I am a better CC creator, such as yourselves, I highly doubt I would ever want to be listed there if the trolling continues. I'm more likely to snap back at the anons. :P
Tristan: "I didn't think you could come up with something like this on your own. Although 'Club Crimsyn' is something I could see you having a hand in."
Chris: "The 'Y' makes it hip."
Tristan: "Yes, if you say so."











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