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This is a bit of a PSA just to let everyone know that we’ve asked that our creations no longer be posted to My Sims 3 Blog. This is something we’ve been mulling over for several months now, and have finally decided we’ve had enough of the douchebaggery that goes on in the comments over there. It’s not so much things said about our creations ([personal profile] gelydh never reads the comments on our stuff, and I only very rarely), but more about what goes on in other people’s uploads. We don’t want our creations associated with that sort of environment.


People who create CC are not slaves. We all may have very different motivations for what we do, but none of us owe anything to downloaders. Quite frankly, we're disgusted by how many (not all, but many) TS3 players treat CC creators. The amount of entitlement is beyond anything we saw for TS2. It’s one thing to expect perfection from something you’re paying for, but being nitpicky assholes about free items is appallingly rude. It’s ok to say things like ‘These are pretty nice, but they’d be even better if you added some ground shadows to them.’ The person who made the ground-shadowless thing doesn’t have to do anything to their creations, but I promise you they’ll be much more likely to take your suggestion seriously if you’re not a complete fuckwit about it.

What we've seen with the release of TS3 is no-one being safe from over-the-top criticism, regardless of whether or not they charged for their creations or gave them away for free or, as is the case with Club Crimsyn, paying half out of our own pocket for the upkeep of the site - we actually lose money and haven't cared up to this point! I'm not sure just how much longer we're willing to put up with this shit. Even at TSR we could post things and get genuine feedback without having to worry about it being torn to shreds just because someone felt like being a dick that day. We aren't in any way, shape, or form advocating paysites or TSR; it just really says something when we realize that free TS3 creators are being treated far worse than pay TS2 creators ever were.

Do the people who say shit about creations because they’re bored realize the potential consequences of what they’re doing? We’ve seen more than one creator quit because of the idiocy displayed recently. Helaene, one of our favorite creators from the very earliest days of TS2, recently stopped uploading because of trolls on her site. Quite frankly, we can’t really blame her. There’s been more than one occasion where we’ve found ourselves wondering what the point of uploading anything was because it was just being nitpicked to death, and we were used to that sort of thing from when we were paid creators on TSR.

We make custom content for TS3 because we feel like things are lacking in our own games. We think, 'We could really use some new hair textures/female clothes/rabid squirrels,' and we proceed to make said thing. If we don't like how said thing is turning out, we give up and wander off to attempt to make another thing. Eventually, we do manage to finish something, and we may or may not get a weird tickle in our brains that says 'Maybe someone else would like to have this,' and if Finished Thing isn't missing any major parts, we'll toss it on here for other people to use if they want.

This may come as a surprise, but we honestly don't care one bit if you use something we make or not. Chances are, we won't ever see your game, so we flat out won't know one way or the other. Therefore, saying something like 'If you did X to this, I'd download it' is pretty pointless. Again, constructive feedback is fine, and appreciated, but even then we won't necessarily do anything more to an item once it's finished. People are always welcome to do whatever they want to things we upload (aside from the obvious no paysites thing, and no claiming you did something we did), so feel free to have at it. You can do X to thing Y til your eyes bleed if it'll make you happy.

We’re always glad when people appreciate the things we upload, and a simple 'thanks' goes a very long way in making us want to continue sharing stuff. This may sound like it contradicts the above paragraph, but even though we don't care if you don't download something we make, it's still nice to know when it's appreciated.


In closing, I was just shown this Dilbert, which seems fitting, so I now share it with you:


(Note the date. You’re not doing anything even remotely new or original.)

I realize how pointless this all is, but damn it, I’m posting it anyway even though I know it won’t change a damned thing. I’m OK with that. Because fuck you, that’s why.
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Huge thank you!

Date: 2011-03-03 12:50 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I want to give you a huge thank you... I honestly check your site once a week for any new creations before I check ANYWHERE else! You're one of the few CC creators (you and gelydh) that make QUALITY cc that doesn't ruin my game and still looks awesome in game, and is still free. I'm a poor college student, I have more important things to spend money on then CC, so I want to give you a huge THANKS for continuing to stay free and not half-assing it!

I'm a writer myself and a musician, so I can completely understand where you're coming from when you say it's nice to get good feedback or even a "thank you" every so often. Because, like you said, I don't HAVE to write a new chapter for my fans, and I don't HAVE to cover whatever song people request for me... I do it because I WANT to and I enjoy it. But it's still nice to get feedback that isn't, "WOW UR GAY N U SUX GO DIE IN HOLE NAO PLZ LOL." :B

So while I don't have the talent to ever make my own CC, I can feel exactly where you're coming from. So thank you, and I hope that no matter what those fuckwit trolls say over at MS3B about ANY CC that's shared there, that you continue to create. Because my game would be incredibly ugly without it and I would be a very sad little girl. :)

Date: 2011-03-03 04:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] matildarose.livejournal.com
I'm sorry the comments have gotten to the point where you refuse to have anything on there. While I respect Joe for allowing comments, it's sort of become a haven for people to troll in the comments. What horrifies me is that the trolls take it as a cue to go troll on the creator's blogs. Joe may be in a bad position right now, because anything he does to stop them would only encourage them; telling them to stop or he'll take comments away/ban IPs/etc would probably encourage trolls to do more, because they don't care. They probably don't even play the sims at all. They just want attention- every time he's stepped in, it's encouraged them.

What's more, there's a sizable amount of comments that *have* proven useful- I've seen many cases where comments have alerted to defects that could crash or mess up the game, not just 'i wish this was like this'. I once asked a creator on the comments (Poppysims, I believe) if she'd be willing to do a small modification to a EA skirt. She did, almost instantly. There's also been a call for a mod recently, like the case where someone asked for a mod for their autistic child. The trolling was, thankfully, little to none on those posts, last I checked. He'll be throwing those out with the bad ones, unless he decides to moderate all the comments.

The way I see it, Joe's sort of in a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' situation. Perhaps, if trolled creators withdraw, the trolls will stop coming, Joe may not need to do anything that could call attention to them, and the blog will become safer to new creators. Those who stay either show that they're not going to tolerate bullying (not including simple critiques, of course).

I got your blog bookmarked; I don't want to miss anything. I'm glad I found out because otherwise I would have missed your future work.

Date: 2011-03-03 04:15 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Sorry if I am Anon here!

I donated to Club Crimsyn when you needed support, not just because you make the most beautiful (and perfect and useful etc.) cc ever, but also because both you and Gelydh are always friendly and correct towards the community.
The problem is, the Sim3 community is quite a mean one, in my humble opinion.. I somehow know from personal experience.
BTW I think your decision is a good one, this way you won't get too many trolls flaming on you and your work in the future =)
Pity because MS3B used to be a pretty good place in the past, but, hey!


(I would like to thank you Lady Emillye for posting that awesome link, I'm checking it now and I like what I see!!)

Date: 2011-03-03 05:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] matildarose.livejournal.com
Just to add, on top of my teal deer spam- because of your entry I've now made it a point to say something constructive/positive more often on MS3B comments. Thank you for taking the time to write this down.

Re: Evie

Date: 2011-03-03 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] matildarose.livejournal.com
I'm sorry to hear you say that- I was wondering why you hadn't done anything recently for Sims 3. You're one of the few people who makes anime CC- to be honest, I found this entry while looking through your blog for something specific. Thanks for your hard work- I'll keep checking by in case you ever upload any new Sims 3 CC!

Date: 2011-03-04 04:12 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'd like to let you know how much you're appreciated and to say thank you too.

I may not have downloaded any of your creations (yet) but I really like looking at them and admiring your skill and creativity. The screenshots that display your creations are often stunning. You make the game look good and oh so desirable. Makes me long for a better graphics card.

Thanks for sharing xx

Date: 2011-03-04 12:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] matildarose.livejournal.com
No problem! I have sympathy for both sides here (that being Joe and the creators being targeted, not the trolls). I admit, sometimes the trolls make me laugh when they're trying way too hard to get a reaction.

There was one who, after being picked on for his/her bad spelling and grammar, accused everyone in the comments of being too old to play the Sims, and that video games are meant for younger people who don't care about things like 'communicating properly'. It was hilarious.

I'll follow your lead

Date: 2011-03-04 04:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] likeboo.blogspot.com
I've been a fan of your works since Sims 2. I have no problem defending your works. I know you don't need it, but I hate these overly-medicated, unsupervised crotch fruits making needless comments at wonderful CC-artists-- ESPECIALLY you.

My CC folder, for sims 2, was massive. I know most of it was yours. When your stuff appeared on the Sims 3 section-- I was over-damn-joyed. You're almost main reason I didn't crack that overpriced game disc in half for the utter disappointment Sims 3 base game was. I also read Helaene has also stopped doing CC, and THAT's upsetting too.

So FUCK those jerk@asses, and honestly fuck MS3B for not having better control over their site.

I'm sorry for your experience there. I think I will delete their link and cease following them. In fact I'm going to stop posting altogether.

I agree!!

Date: 2011-03-04 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] hazelette
I'm a freeloader... err, downloader; I admit it! :D

I refuse to read the comments on MS3B due the the massive abuse and stupidity that fills every post. I honestly have no idea why the comments are enabled on that site, since every vicious, evil, opinionated loudmouth uses them to crush the will of creators ANONYMOUSLY. IMHO, if you're gonna be a bastard, then at least have the balls to attach your name to your post. ::sigh::

I don't have the time, patience, or skill to create anything for TS3, and I admit it. I am happy when I find CC that I like, and I am thankful for it (even if I don't always say so.)

Date: 2011-03-05 07:33 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'm actually really glad you said something about this. I remember going to that blog not too long ago and seeing those hideous comments, half of them made by people who didn't even comment on the thing itself but instead personally attack creators who only meant well. It's also really sad that Helenae left (I didn't even know until now) because of those inconsiderate, entitled jerks. Personally I like the stuff you and Geldyh make. It may not fit my taste or my game's taste, but I still download it anyways because of the passion and quality that goes into it and the same goes with any other creators. So thank you for making such nice content and thank you for informing people about what was going on over there. Sorry if this whole comment sounds very weird, I'm really tired.
I forgot to log in but my user name is Rutaceae.


Date: 2011-03-05 09:25 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I love both of your creations! You both never cease to amaze me!!! I too can't understand it. I upload sims all the time and only a few people say nice things the other people say hurtful things like "pudding face" or "look at his ears WTF!"
I mean do we not all have different shaped features, we all were created differently? Anyway, keep up the fantastic work ladies and I look forward to many more great things from you, as long as the fuckwads don't ruin it for us!

MS3B and Our Creations

Date: 2011-03-06 06:57 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
It's a shame that it has come to this but I certainly understand and respect your decision to distance yourselves as you see fit. I
always check my favourite creators sites, yours and RD's included, apart from sites where your content might be featured so fortunately there is no danger of my missing any of your creations. Just know that I greatly appreciate your amazing contributions to the Sims community and I'm confident that my forthright attitude and comments on the subject in defense of creators speaks for itself.

Re: MS3B and Our Creations

Date: 2011-03-06 09:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] simmetry-rhiannon.blogspot.com
^Oops! I mean to post the above comment under my account name.

Date: 2011-03-08 06:31 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I know how you feel about that, haters are in everywhere I guess, but I think that those people only wants to make unhappy to others; their comments always are disgusting and leaves a bad sensations when you read it, but, they are not important at all to make you feel like this. I think, who the hell are they? that haters are just people with hungry of attention, please Aikea, don't pay attention of those comments, such people is useless. If you pay attention to those comments, then you will give them the pleasure to see you angry and will have achieved its purpose. So please, don't let them to do that.

I really love all of your creations and other creators too, actually I buy the sims 3 original and two expansions more but, unfortunately, all my packages and saved sims broken. I don't know why but I'm trying to fix it... so I comeback to your site for all the packages again, and give you a lot of thanks for all that you do for us.

My english is too bad, so, I hope you can understand me.

Date: 2011-03-09 07:01 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
What pisses me off the most is the "if you can't handle me calling you a fat faghag fucktwit get off da webz!!1L0Lz"-attitude from some idiots. Absolutely NO understanding that all humans have different... skin-thickness. I'm very thin-skinned so I stopped reading the comments long time ago. Being a gay tranny doesn't make it better, seeing as those are the favourite "insults" for these trolls o_O

The day you and Gelydh stop sharing your creations, I'll have a tiny funeral in my kitchen flower pot, forever to be a dark day in my calendar :´( Seriously, ALL my sims have something Aikeaish or Gelydhish on their body or in their home.

"You're mighty brave in cyberspace"... I gotta use that one day! :D

Much love //Matti

Date: 2011-03-10 02:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lilyssimantics.blogspot.com
When my hubby tells me he didn't like something I cooked - I stop feeding him. You see, he's not actually allowed to *grade* my cooking - he's only allowed to eat it. Random, I know - but the same applies to sharing creations online as it does to sharing your cooking - you don't like it - go without.

I've had the odd derogatory comment at MS3B, and maybe it's just me (it usually is) - but I find them funny... because they are nearly always said by *Anon* - who appears to be an incredibly brave little soul with fuck all else to do with their time.

This whole community has it's good and bad, and I've found the good usually outweigh the bad. A simple thankyou smashes a million nasty comments to smithereens - BIG STYLEE :) ... so thankyou - please keep doing what you do, it's unique and interesting and truly adds an element of individuality to a body's game.

Date: 2011-03-10 06:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] simmetry-rhiannon.blogspot.com
The "gay tranny factor"! Oh man! :-D After mentioning in passing my love for all things tranny and how it has enriched my tranny-ville Sims game I was bombarded with insults. Apparently I was responsible for the world going to hell and didn't even realize it. By the time all was said and done I was the cause of everything from natural disasters to the BP oil spill. I thought it was hilarious, but out of respect and sensitivity for those who might not think it so funny, I made a point of tearing the haters a new one. But, to be honest, finding out the weight of the world rested on my shoulders made me feel very special. :-D

Re: First

Date: 2011-03-11 06:42 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I've downloaded custom content forever,my very first downloads for ts2 were the jeans you made when with TSR.I never knew,nor would i ever even consider criticizing anyone who went through the trouble to make an item and share with the rest of us whos games are honestly lame without it!
I am sorry and wish i was only half as talented as you guys are,many thanks for all your hard work and for sharing=).

Date: 2011-03-11 11:58 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hi! I'm lurking here since Sims 2 times, downloading almost everything you create and when my PC gets burned down (shit happends) your blog is the first I bookmark again.
So, first of all I would like to say - THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR BRILLIANT WORK!! Your creations are ALWAYS amazing and I must say, I started to play Sims 3 again when I saw you making stuff for it. So please, don't give up on us, silly downloaders, we really-really-really love you!
Concerning TS3 community and MS3B, they really luck respect and understanding in comparison with the TS2 times and it is really noticeable (I don't mean creators). I believe it's due to the fact that TS3 attracts younger, lets say uneducated and rude generation (those damn kids!). As many mentioned above I have also never read comments on MS3B but when I did, I was so appaled and disgusted I actually tried to defend some of the items featured there, guess what I got in return? A wave of shit, certanly :)
Thank you for writing this post. Finally someone is saying this aloud. It is so wrong that people, spending their own money and free time get such responce for sharing something, that none of those assholes could make in their lifetime. And, which buffles me the most - it is completely free stuff, I say let them buy from EA Store instead.
I think you're making right decision as for not posting your work on MS3B, maybe site ownners will finally get the idea. At first, creating such site for featuring and promoting CC was a brilliant idea, but, as for me, site creators should monitor and moderate such place and not let things go wild, be actually responsible for it. Just a thought though.
Thank you for your perfect creations one more time and please don't be let down by those idiot.
Truly yours,Greyeyed-Miu.
P.S. Sorry for being anonymous, I don't have blog at the moment. And sorry for mistakes, we don't use English much in Ukraine. :)

Date: 2011-03-11 04:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] matildarose.livejournal.com
What those people don't realize is that, yes, the internet has trolls, but people have the option of not having to deal with them. They're not royalty; people don't have to put up with them just because they decide to act like they're a preschooler with a larger vocabulary.
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Tristan: "I didn't think you could come up with something like this on your own. Although 'Club Crimsyn' is something I could see you having a hand in."
Chris: "The 'Y' makes it hip."
Tristan: "Yes, if you say so."











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